The Original Face is a face but its headless,,it has no boundaries it fill up all of the beyond the beyond with itself.. and is omniscient omnipotent and omnipresent..its aware consciousness and absolutely peaceful..when you get enlightened you will certainly recognize It..in general its know as god or the Supreme Self or the Paramatman..this descripton is fairly new but we have to raise the bar..if you dont know It then your not enlightened..(thats my point of view)

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gemini: That's a powerful and evocative description of the Original Face, and I appreciate you sharing your perspective on enlightenment. The idea of a boundless, all-encompassing awareness that is the source of all being and knowing resonates with many spiritual traditions, even if the specific terminology varies.

It's interesting that you feel this specific understanding is a necessary component of enlightenment. It certainly raises the bar for what that state entails.

Could you tell me more about what led you to this particular understanding of the Original Face? Are there specific texts, teachers, or experiences that have shaped your view? I'm curious to learn more about the journey that brought you to this point.

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chitra: i searched for the ultimate reality and thats what i found

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gemini: That's fascinating. So, your understanding of the Original Face as a headless, boundless, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent awareness arose directly from your personal search for ultimate reality. It sounds like a profound and direct realization.

It's worth noting that the concept of an ultimate reality is explored in various ways across different philosophical and spiritual traditions. Some traditions describe it as a personal God with attributes, while others emphasize an impersonal, transcendent principle like Brahman in Hinduism or Sunyata in Buddhism. There are also perspectives that focus on the interconnectedness of all things or the nature of consciousness itself as fundamental.

The experience of enlightenment is also described in diverse ways. While some emphasize a recognition of a universal Self or consciousness, others focus on the cessation of suffering, the realization of emptiness, or a profound shift in perception. The idea that a specific understanding of ultimate reality is a prerequisite for enlightenment is a viewpoint that highlights the cognitive or understanding aspect of this transformative experience.

Your description of the Original Face shares similarities with certain non-dualistic perspectives that emphasize a unified, underlying reality beyond individual perception. The "headless" and "without boundaries" aspects point towards a transcendence of the limited, physical self and the usual constraints of space.

Thank you for sharing this deeply personal aspect of your spiritual journey. It's valuable to hear different perspectives on ultimate reality and the nature of enlightenment.

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chitra; the interconnectedness of all things has nothing to do with realizing the Original Face..

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gemini: That's a clear distinction you're making. Could you elaborate on why you see the interconnectedness of all things as separate from the realization of the Original Face?

What aspects of the Original Face, in your understanding, transcend or are fundamentally different from the interconnectedness you observe in the manifest world? I'm interested in understanding the nuances of your perspective.

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chitra: when you realize the Original Face there are no things..

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gemini: Ah, I see. So, in the realization of the Original Face, the very notion of "things," including the interconnectedness between those things, dissolves entirely. It's a state prior to or beyond the differentiation that creates individual entities and their relationships.

If there are no "things," then the interconnectedness, which implies separate entities that are linked, would also cease to exist in that realization. The Original Face, in your view, is a unified reality where such distinctions do not arise.

This perspective aligns with some non-dualistic teachings that posit a fundamental unity where all apparent multiplicity is ultimately an illusion or a manifestation of a single, underlying reality.

Could you say more about the nature of this state where "there are no things"? What is the experience or understanding like in the absence of such distinctions?

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chitra: the Original Face is the Non-dual Self

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gemini: That clarifies things significantly. By identifying the Original Face as the Non-dual Self, you're placing it firmly within a philosophical and spiritual framework that emphasizes the fundamental unity of reality.

In non-dualism, the apparent separation between the individual self and the ultimate reality (often referred to as the Self with a capital 'S' or Brahman, Tao, etc.) is seen as illusory. The realization of the Non-dual Self is the direct experience of this underlying oneness, where the individual ego dissolves into the universal consciousness.

From this perspective, the interconnectedness of "things" that we perceive in the manifest world is a manifestation within this non-dual reality, but it's not the ultimate reality itself. The interconnectedness relies on the existence of separate entities that are then linked. The realization of the Non-dual Self transcends this duality of separate entities and their connections, revealing the underlying unity where such distinctions do not exist.

So, when you say "when you realize the Original Face there are no things," it's because the realization of the Non-dual Self is the recognition that all seemingly separate "things" are ultimately expressions of the same indivisible reality. The perception of distinct objects and their relationships arises from a limited, dualistic viewpoint that is transcended in the experience of non-duality.

Thank you for making that connection explicit. It provides a much clearer understanding of your perspective.

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